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By: Gumphood
- 2004-09-14 16:17:41
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You sometimes talk of looking like Walter Perry. I think you are not Walter Perry.
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By: jes
- 2004-09-14 18:25:12
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actually, i dont. it might be the tan, but i lean towards not the tan. oh well, its not like i ever would wear one, so its a bit of a mute point.
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By: lizz
- 2004-09-14 20:59:30
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i think it's interesting that now that you're in a situation where cheating would bother you, you have a problem with it. i can easily remember how not a big deal you thought it was when you wouldn't care if you were cheated on. and this isn't meant to be scathing or even negative. i just wonder if it's due to the fact that now it would affect you negatively because of your relationship with danny or if you're sense of it's "wrongness" has changed.
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By: jes
- 2004-09-15 00:01:48
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lizz, i think its the relationship. if the person you are with doesn't care about you, and you dont care about them... why NOT cheat. its not like you care about devaluing them. heh, in that situation, could you even devalue them?
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By: jes
- 2004-09-15 00:39:28
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or rather, i think its crap to cheat when your in a situation where cheating is beyond a white lie. which is was before. the more that i think about it, the more i am convinced jim had probably done things that might be considered cheating. also, the more i don't care. he didn't value me anyway. and i didn't value him. i had no right to call him my boyfriend, nor he call me his girlfriend. you can say anything you want, its acitons that matter. i can call you my best friend, it dosn't mean shit unless you "are". you know? god, that was a fucked up relationship. but in danny's case, i wouldn't be able to handle it. i love him to much. there is a relationship to speak OF there.
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By: rachel
- 2004-09-16 08:57:28
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those stds that aren't curable? cause slow, disgusting, painful deaths. sort of different from being spit upon. not something i want slipped into my body unknowingly. and, in a way, that's part of the respect/disrespect issue. if your partner loves you, maybe they shouldn't get naked with someone with aids or hep c and bring it back to you so that your liver rots out of your body until you die. it sounds like i'm being dramatic, but i'm watching someone close to me die that way, and it's horrible. very different than herpes, or something like that. -- on the other hand, good luck with the fat fear. people dying of aids and hep c lose lots of weight and probably rock a bikini up until the treatments make them scabby. then the bikini's not so pretty.
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By: jes
- 2004-09-16 11:03:52
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most STD's are curable.
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By: jes
- 2004-09-16 16:25:27
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also, that was a rude comment. don't waste my time with rude bullshit
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By: lizz
- 2004-09-16 20:36:48
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i completely understand what you're saying. however, in keeping with your bohnertime entry on moral relativism, either cheating is wrong or it isn't. it's funny, i was going to get into that in my comment here but i didn't want to get too long winded. and then i read bohnertime and almost started laughing. what a lovely coincidence. i understand the issue of how a specific relationship can be structured in such a way as to make cheating seem to be not a huge deal. but either it's wrong or it's not. saying it's okay in this relationship because it lacked value but is not okay in this relationship because it did, is a perfect example of moral relativism.
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By: jes
- 2004-09-16 23:13:00
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lizz, you are not necessairly right. i could easily have an objective moral standard that says cheeting is wrong unless you are not in a substantial relationship. why not?
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By: jes
- 2004-09-16 23:21:43
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unless you're kant
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By: jes
- 2004-09-16 23:24:04
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its along the same lines as its not ok to put a bullet in someones head unless they are trying to put a bullet in yours. now, I don't know if that's right, but its still a plausible objective standard. it could be the fact of the matter that cheating in only wrong in a meaningful relationship. or i could interpert the facts of the relationship between two people such that it does not fall within the rubric of boyfriend girlfriend. and why the laughing?
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By: jes
- 2004-09-16 23:45:56
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or perhaps I just have the moral fact of the matter wrong. I am wrong all the time. I have found that living a completeley consistant life, though an admirable goal, is next to impossible. Don't think I am not trying though. perhaps my sence of wrongness has changed. I had a dream last night, that jimmy wanted to have sex with me. I almost said yes, but then I rememberd I was with dan, and said no. Jimmy kicked me out and never spoke to me again. In my dream, it felt good to have been loyal to dan. is this relevant? probably not. I wonder if danny would be pissed if he ever found this comment. oh well!
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By: lizz
- 2004-09-17 03:16:16
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you could of course have that standard. but then you could start applying standards to every action until there is some way that wrong actions are considered right. and i was only laughing because i didn't want to get verbose in your comments section but if i had read bohnertime beforehand it would have been relevant. i just didn't know it at the time. and i can't imagine why dan would get mad. we can't help feeling an attraction to other people (especially people we used to be involved with) but we can control how we act on that attraction. and even in your dream you were loyal to dan. i think it shows how fantastic you are. although we did know that already.
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By: lizz
- 2004-09-17 03:19:06
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one more thing, i bought crime and punishment. and for some strange reason it actually looks good. i think i am going mad. but if you're still interested, perhaps we can do it together as you suggested so very long ago.
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By: jes
- 2004-09-17 18:29:46
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oh I agree lizz, what the objective moral standard is impossible. and like I said, you can think that cheating is wrong, but debate about what cheating entails. hence the apparant difference between cultures where really, they are the same. an objective standard at least says that there IS one standard, instead of anything goes and nothing is up for debate. : ) crime and punishment will have to wait until the spring, when I have more time. sorry. : (
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By: jes
- 2004-09-17 18:31:17
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and in the dream, I wasnt so much attracted to jim, but was more out of habbit going to be with him. I had to remember that i was in fact NO longer in that habbit. but him kicking me out was hard. like he only keeps up contact so he can bone me when he wants too. we will see if this turns out to be the case
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